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As the leather helmet evolved it went through several stages of development before settling into the standard style that is worn today. Theoretically the more combs that a helmet had the stronger that the helmet was, and for a long time twelve-and sixteen- comb helmets were available for use. FDNY adopted these helmets in the late 1800's and their popularity spread across the rest of the U.S, by the turn of the century. Around that same time aluminum helmets were introduced as an alternative to the heaviness and bulkiness of the traditional leather variety. These helmets were lighter true, they were also were cheaper than their leather counterparts, but they have problems beyond that of the leather helmets. Metal however disguised to look like leather, still conducts both heat and electricity making it quickly apparent for firefighters that these alternatives would not work with the complexities of firefighting, As a result firefighters turned back to the old standby,their tough leather lid had truly stood the test of time. However in 1979 the National Fire Protection Association created it's standards on structural firefighter helmets, causing a shift in the requirements needing to be met for an approved helmet. The new standards made for the original thinking on how to best design the helmet. More modern materials such as fiberglass, found use in many of the new designs, again creating a lighter helmet than the heftier leather ones. The fiberglass and composite plastic helmets unlike the aluminum stayed strong and durable, and also kept the firefighters safe regardless of the job that they were asked to perform. A helmet is just as individual as the firefighter who is wearing it, and it tells the story of his or her years of service better than anything else. Some departments require leather because they have stood the test of time and have proven to withstand the worst of conditions. Others have restrictions against them putting faith in the new materials that do not strain the neck as much. The inseperable relationship between the firefighters and their leather helmets has sparked a group known as the Fraternal Order of Leatherheads, which is a group that promotes the brotherhood of firefighters, says the leather helmet is an international sign of a firefighter, a symbol that is significant in not only tradition from the early years of firefighting, but one of bravery, integrity, honor and pride. Whether you wear fiberglass, plastic, leather or something else ,the helmet serves as a practical reminder of the hazards of the job, and the bravery of those who wear them.

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Amen, to that brother...

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Thank you for that inspiring piece of Firefighting history. I will look at my helmet differently now :)

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Give me day I will have that clip for you... Rev Tam


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Yes, I would really appreciate it if you would share that clip with me. Thank you SR

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The leather helmet is what has been an icon in firefighting for hundres of years any time someone revices a helemt as a reward usually it is leather and that because thats what firefighters are tough as leather.


 


Leather heads for ever.


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You are so Right Ltpitcher Amen,to that.

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    I have seen helmets come and go. Plastic, fiberglass, hard rubber types (that was a joke). Two years before I retired we all got our leather helmets back. As far as I know the dept. is still wearing their leathers. That was last week when i visited the station.

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This is for Firedoglvf and all of the new members that joined Hardheaded Firefighters.

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Glad you brought this post back up. Good info here. Love the fire history stuff.   I wonder if they have a book or something on classic to modern helmets , style , types and history ?


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Hey jc ever heard of National Fire&Rescue lots of good info.

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Is that the magazine ?  If so I know we have it at the station.  Had not really looked at it but will.


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Yes that is the magazine take a look at Jan-Feb 08 you find some info.

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Great thanks , I'll be looking for those months.  I also found this link with some neat stuff you probably know already but some others might find intresting.    http://reviews.ebay.com/Vintage-Cairns-Fire-Helmets-Buyers-Guide_W0QQugidZ10000000000836049?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:LISTINGS:1


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I love what's inside the helmet, other than your mellon...



I love the warning stickers in fire helmets.

My old helmet (Cairns N881 AR):

"WARNING: FIREFIGHTING IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS."



My current helmet (Cairns Leather N6A Sam Houston):

"... FIREFIGHTING IS A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY. YOU MAY BE KILLED OR INJURED USING THIS PRODUCT."



Crap! No one told me this was a dangerous job! HA HA!


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Thats the same with Rock climbing gear. You get the same warning "Rock climbing is an inherenly dangerous sport. You could be seriously hurt or killed using this product". No $#!&, Hanging from your fingers however many feet above terra firma. Dangerious, never.


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Rock climbing Firefighting it is all inherenly dangerous.

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it is up to us what type of helmet we want to wear i personnaly like my paul conway classic it is fiberglass, but i would love to have a leather helmet just cant afford one right now!


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Firemanjoe ever take a look on EBAY?

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firefighter8SR says ...



Firemanjoe ever take a look on EBAY?



yes but i couldnt find one in good enough shape. that i could afford


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Well how much are you looking to spend?

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none at the moment when i graduated my parents bought me a fire helmet ill wear that one out and then get my leather one! i wanted a leather one of the same type but beggars can not be choosers.


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Ok firemanjoe sometimes i hear of a deal from time to time. I will let you know if i hear of any at a resonable price.

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Chief_Ed says ...



I love what's inside the helmet, other than your mellon...



I love the warning stickers in fire helmets.

My old helmet (Cairns N881 AR):

"WARNING: FIREFIGHTING IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS."



My current helmet (Cairns Leather N6A Sam Houston):

"... FIREFIGHTING IS A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY. YOU MAY BE KILLED OR INJURED USING THIS PRODUCT."



Crap! No one told me this was a dangerous job! HA HA!



LMAO, hell, driving down the road to work is dangerous. Sometimes just waking up is dangerous.


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You are so right chase just like i said you just dont know what the next call will bring.

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jc find out about starting your chapter?

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jc take a look.

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I'm looking.


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Ok jc let me know how you make out.