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Posted 5 months ago Recently My Dept and our EMS dept have been having trouble with others using our radio frequency and chating or pretending that they are a fire unit or ems unit. 2 weeks ago there seemed to be people getting on our radios and cussing out our dispatch. They would get on the radio and pretend they are an ems unit and they would go enroute to some location, dispatch didn't realize it until the real ems unit told them that it was a false call. Now my question is, do all of you have alot or little trouble with "stupid" people getting on your radio frequency? I just now that it is very fustrating, especially when there is emergency traffic going on. I know the police dept. is trying to find and locate these individuals since it seems to be the same bunch that does it all the time. This is also on the Ask a Firefighter page. I am trying to get reactions out of firefighters and Dispatchers. "Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima. Bagdad ain't shit." "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." United States Marine Corps |
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| Posted 5 months ago What frequency are you on? This is highly illegal, and there are ways of catching them. There are also some pretty cool ways of teaching them a lesson in your own hands. If it is UHF/VHF, odds are they are somebody that has a ham radio that is modified. Jeff Draper
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| Posted 5 months ago It could also they found a lost radio and are having fun with it. Either way it is illegal to operate on any licensed channel without permission! Inform the FCC and they will take action. |
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| Posted 5 months ago We have this same problem here too. They get on the radio and play music, burp, fart, yell at us while we are on a call. We even had a man get on the radio and tell us to leave him alone, and let him drink his beer and smoke his crack rock in peace. Dispatch informed this individual that we were on a fire call and this had nothing to do with him. He just proceeded to curse at the dispatcher. This happened while we were on a call. Then this was broadcasted, we were prebriefing on scene. So I know it wasn't anyone that was on our scene. We just look at each other with this dumbfounded look on our faces. Dispatch and other firefighters who are on our repeater will get on tell them to stop, but I find that when they do that, it only egg's them on. I know that this is HIGHLY illegal and I REALLY hope that law enforcement finds them soon. They usually start this obnoxious activity when a department is on a call or sometime betweem 12am - 4am. And it's not just when we are on a call, it happens to 2 other departments as well.
Not only that, I have heard people get on and ask other member's to PX their cell phones, then broadcast the phone number out over the radio. One department in the area is particularly bad about this. They don't even need to be on a call to do this, they just do it. It is against our department's rules to do that. We keep a updated phone list posted in the fire house and it is everyone's responsibility to update those numbers in their cell phones. |
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| Posted 5 months ago Again, what frequency are you guys on??? Contact your local ham radio club. They should have someone with the ability to Transmit hunt them and locate them. Jeff Draper
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| Posted 5 months ago What a pain. We had similar trouble with this until we went to 800 MHz like silverwulf said. It turned out to be CB talker with boosters or linnears I think they're called. Not much was done about that crowd until it affected airport traffic. The FAA and FCC started hanging around. Needless to say, we don't have that problem anymore. Try to get the FCC involved. Depending on severity, they get hot under the collar about people busting thier airwaves.
This is also posted in "Ask A Firefighter" |
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| Posted 5 months ago I'm not quite sure what kind of frequency we operate on, but does seem like someone possibly has one of our radios. Who ever they are, They're familiar with how our radio traffic system works. Which makes me believe it may be someone on the dept or someone who knows how we operate. We use special codes and different lingo and they seem to know what it is. Or it could be possibly someone in another county/district who have are frequency. It seems that every time they're on the radio, all there attention is directed towards central dispatch. "Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima. Bagdad ain't shit." "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." United States Marine Corps |
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| Posted 5 months ago Like I said on the other forum send me a PM... or E-Mail me at kd7cao@gmail.com since it'll be the weekend now. I will do what I can to hook you up with the right people. Eric M. Gildersleeve
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| Posted 5 months ago WE do not have that problem. We get a lot of "skip" from other counites.Never have I heard someone that is not in emergency services on our radios |
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| Posted 5 months ago It starting to happen alot around here. We used to never have any problems with people getting on our radios except they always hit the talk button repedetly. But now it seems that civilans are getting on and using foul language. I heard the f-word on there and I was suprised to hear that. Dispatch eventually just never responded to them. "Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima. Bagdad ain't shit." "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." United States Marine Corps |
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| Posted 5 months ago Sounds like it's time for a phone call to the FCC. They have RDF trucks specifically designed for this problem. |
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| Posted 5 months ago Froogsey says ...
We had that problem on our VHF handhelds..... but we know that the handhelds are good upto a certain distance.... so when they got on again we told the we know where you are and they were like bullshit.... we told them well the Michigan State Police is enroute to Jose Lake and should be there in 15 minutes..... NEVER HEARD THEM AGAIN |
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| Posted 4 months ago I hope they track them down that is wrong |
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| Posted 4 months ago We usually do not have many problems at all with the radios. There is a lot of traffic but it is usually the county fire. We usually change to channel 2 or 3 to stay away from the mass majority of radio traffic. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Well we have not run into any more problems with interference. I guess the perps were finally caught. "Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima. Bagdad ain't shit." "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." United States Marine Corps |
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| Posted 3 months ago Good to hear, hope they did get caught. Radio's can be weired sometimes, if you get the right time of day you can get onto all kinds of crossed radio waves. I remember about 10 years ago I had a little Uniden CB radio in my truck, picked up some Hams, one in Alaska and the other in FL, I think. I keyed up my mic and they heard me, talked to them for about a min. It was the strangest thing to pick them up on such a different channel. |
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| Posted 3 months ago wow we have never had this problem thats pretty crazy, some people have no respect for what we are trying to do if you don't like what I say use the big red X in the top right hand corner! |
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| Posted 3 months ago We haven't had anymore trouble. Our repeater system sucks. There is always something wrong with it. Sometimes when you key up, it's like it is open and it sounds like you are going through a tunnel. If we don't want dispatch to listen to us, we switch over to talk around but sometimes dispatch can hear us on that frequency. It's all messed up. "Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima. Bagdad ain't shit." "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." United States Marine Corps |
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| Posted 3 months ago Yeah, I know nothing aboutt he technical stuff. Lol, I just know that my dad and stepdad have always had scanners - my dad's always picked up fire and law enforcement (Sheriff and PD), and my stepdad's only picks up fire. I have never heard for myself or heard of problems with folks getting on our frequencies. Often times, no one can even find us on radios and scanners. Quite honestly, there are only a few firefighters and LEO's who can program scanners to pickup the right channels, and folks who work on the force who get scanners just go to them. Today, it's extremely hard to pickup any law enforcement traffic now, because the vast majority of it is encrypted. All channels, fire and police both, are scrambled at like 12:10 or something like that every night. (Which kind of sucks every now and then, because when I was a kid, I would lock a busy fire channel, fall asleep, wake up in the middle of the night, and not have it anymore, lol). ...as for volunteer and county channels... they don't exist, I don't think - we have pagers and cell phones for our guys! lol ~Cory~ |
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| Posted 3 months ago Sometimes in the summer, around this time of year, the atmosphere changes and allows FM signals (The mode of communication most widely used in VHF and UHF) that normally travel 35 -70 miles to travel several hundred miles. Depending on the position of the Sun they other party may not even know there is radio traffic on the frequency. It can be a problem! Too much radio traffic or interference for clear Emergency Operations or persons vandalizing the frequency interfering with Emergency Traffic. I agree with emtjad and Chase, contact your local Amateur Radio Club or the FCC and have them check it out. As for the hams operating on the CB (which is AM) the CB band is outside the Ham band and it was probably a couple of CBers running excess power. Not too many hams would risk their Federal License to operate outside the band when they have better communications abilities (LSB/USB sideband ) in the Ham bands.
Eddie D. Howard
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| Posted 3 months ago we rarely have that problem, there are ways to impede that, we have several safeguards in programming our radios, private mail me and I can explain it USMCFF413, if the same basic safe guards are in place then someone lost a radio.
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| Posted 3 months ago dracosloe says ...
good idea |
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| Posted 3 months ago There are ways to track this through the FCC. We had that problem one time for about an hour, I got on the radio and stated we have coordinates on the ileagle radio traffic and it all the sudden stopped. But this is a problem. If you have not already done so you need to contact the FCC. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Back when we were on uhf/vhf we occasionally had trouble with this. The FCC at that time had a script that we would read that would threaten all sorts of legal action that would/could be taken. It really didn't help. It's been much nicer since we've switch to a trunked 800 system, we just disable radio's now. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago unfortunatley it is too easy to find out a station PLO code, this and the radio transmit frequency will give anyone access to that channel, this is why most dept. are moving to the 800+mhz band, their encryped and very hard to find out the info to crack the channel. Frankly there is no known way to stop people from cracking radio channels other than the FCC tracking the signal being transmitted. good luck getting them out to your area. |
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| Posted 25 days ago We haven't had any more trouble lately. It turns out that some idiot stolen one of the fire depts radios and used it as a toy. It was probably an ex firefighter who got fired and wanted to get back at us. "Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima. Bagdad ain't shit." "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." United States Marine Corps |
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| Posted 23 days ago our county dispatch is extremely tight with our radio frequencies. anyone on the wrong frequency gets yelled at. if a cuss word manages to slip out on the air...we have a fax at our dept by the time we get back from the radio committee pres. |
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| Posted 17 days ago I know what you mean. We had a FF who everyone thought he said a curse word and everyone flipped out and went to a meeting. When they played back the tapes, it turned out that he didn't say it anything bad it just sounded like he did. "Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima. Bagdad ain't shit." "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." United States Marine Corps |
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| Posted about 14 hours ago Depending on what frequency you are on there could be someone's parent that is a HAM radio operator, we can listen to any ems dispatch & chime in; however, that is extremely illegal & it is not done because that could end up killing someone. I hope they catch them but I'd def. try to locate someone with a Operator license because they all have scanners & radios so they can communicate with one another. I listen to ems dispatches from my town into 2 of the next counties from where I'm located. My Police Department dispatched Fire so our frequency was different because we had some problems with that a while back. Now there are no problems besides feedback from other counties' Police Departments. Try looking into what frequency you have & see if there's no way to change it because unless you do you will keep having the problems & that is a serious offense. Hope some of this helps in any way!!! |
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| Posted about 3 hours ago Thank you for the advise. I'm glad they haven't accessed our tactical channels for fire ground operations. I can go online and look up my depts frequency it's that easy. Our tactical channels aren't listed thank god. But thank you for the advise. "Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima. Bagdad ain't shit." "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." United States Marine Corps |

