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Will Gas prices and Cost of Food hurt your Volunteer Crew?

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The cost of gasoline has gone to $4.99 and to reach over $5.00 in July.  Milk is going up .60 cents in the next two weeks.


The cost of various foods are the having the same effect.  What are we gonna do about these costs, when we know there


is a way to get oil prices down.  We drill offshore in the USA.  We become self sufficent in oil production.  We won't be


dependent on anyone but USA.  Let's make trade relations with Canada that make sense.  Let's deal toughly with the


aliens coming into this country.  Not just the Mexicans, but look at the Iraqis in Wayned county, Michigan.  Close to 400,000.


I don't know that they are all citizens.  The old fashioned American pays his taxes, works hard, and commits no crimes.


The very small population is the criminal element in the USA.  I don't know what the answers are and havn't heard them


postulated by the candidates for President.  I see the volunteers of America not being able to keep it up.  And soon, they


will be cutting the paying positions for EMS and Firefighters.  I am saddened by what I see and hear.  Let's get a discussion


going to come up with ideas to help our brothers and sisters throught this dilemma.  I am just talking out loud, but I sure


wish we could help.


Skeeter

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WELL SAID Skeeter.

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Skeeter, you are right on point with this.  This is something that needs to be addressed, preferably soon rather than later when it's too late. 


Ross Caston
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Iowa Park, TX
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I'm not quite sure what it will take before the government decides enough is enough. Not saying I want it to happen....But what if there was a fire in the one of these government buildings. With the price of gas / diesel, how will they feel if the fire companies can't make it there for a dumb reason like the fire trucks can't leave the station because they're sitting on empty. Or there's not enough firefighters in the station, due to cuts, to man the trucks to put out the flames. We have oil reserves. Why in God's name can't we tap into them? I just don't get it. I am ashamed to say this great country of ours is begining to go down the tubes. People on minimum wage can't afford to buy the gas to get to work, pay bills, pay rent or mortgage payments and eat too. (Unless you sit on Capital Hill.) And now with flooding on top of it, food prices are going up.  I'd love to see politicians who make $100,000 plus a year actually earn an HONEST wage and try to support their families. As usual, the rich get richer and the middle and poor get poorer. If I wouldn't get shot to death, I'd go camp out on the White House lawn.

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the simple problem is my wages are not keeping pace with the rises in gas and food etc. i work in farming and diesel prices are hurting us. and as has been said until something is done by the govt then financial problems for the ordinary people will grow and get worse. until the politicians remember why they are and get off their asses and do something then i'm afraid nothing will change

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Government and large cities will never have the issue of staff shortage because they are all paid, and have gas pumps at the stations provided by the city. Emergency services will be the last to suffer as far as that. They may cut budgets all around us, but fuel and response won't be part of it. Yes, something needs to happen fast. But it will take all of the people to stand up and raise hell, ge physically in the governments face and put their foot down. The entire Congress needs to be removed from office. They have enacted laws that have created, and continue this situation, and if left alone, will completely bankrupt and gridlock this country.


And in answer to the question, YES, it hurts everyone, volunteer and otherwise.


Jeff Draper
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I definitely think the gas prices are hurting the volunteer companies.  I don't think so much as responding but in all the little ways.  Less donations from local farmers, less monetary support on fund drives, less attendance at spaghetti dinners and even from members.  For ex:  I used to run all the time for company-to pick up fax ribbon, order gear, accessories, etc...but now-just call the store/manufacturer(so don't see sale items) or do less running.  I would never due to gas prices not respond.  I kinda live for others misfortune or stupidity-you know what I mean. 

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Im strapping a blue tear drop light to my handlebars, and connecting it to a 12 volt battery in the frame of my 10 speed bike.  (JK)


The government needs to get rid of the environmentalist people who are concerned for the mating habits of the great haikiki bird or the spawning schedules of the alaskan malamute dog fish and start waking the people of this country up to the real concerns like starving and homeless PEOPLE, and companies laying PEOPLE off due to high operational costs and not being able to afford so many employees.  Or the fact that China and Cuba are drilling off-shore oil wells IN SIGHT of our shores and taking all the oill WE need because of the people who cry when a fish doesnt get laid because of the drilling operations.....People.....we need to wake up and smell the coffee, are you more concerned about the animals or the PEOPLE that are dying everyday in our own country while we shell out millions of dollars to homeless people all over the world?  Im all for helping people wherever and whenever we can, but we should be concerned with our own people first, THAN we can help others.  I think its ironic (and insulting) that our government denies assistance to a family of 4 in the USA because they make "$50 over the income limit" but than turn around and feed an entire village in Africa...where is the line drawn? 


Sorry!!  LOL   End of rant, just had to vent there!!!! lol


Brian "Moose" Jones
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   The cost of gasoline has gone to $4.99 and to reach over $5.00 in July.



Skeeter, I don't know where you are to pay that much. Sounds more like a typo when mixed with the $5/gal vs $4.99 statement.  Our diesel hasn't hit $4.99 yet, gas is running $3.94. 


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chase1 says ...



   The cost of gasoline has gone to $4.99 and to reach over $5.00 in July.



Skeeter, I don't know where you are to pay that much. Sounds more like a typo when mixed with the $5/gal vs $4.99 statement.  Our diesel hasn't hit $4.99 yet, gas is running $3.94. 



Wow!!  Ours here in Upstate NY is like $4.30-$4.50 a gallon for the cheap stuff.  Almost $5.00/gallon for the high octane stuff.  You are in Texas, right Chase?  I forget where everyone is located here! lol


Brian "Moose" Jones
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The cheapest place around here to get gasoline is at the indian reservations. And even without NYS taxes there, it's still over $4 a gallon.

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4 dollars a gal. That would be great right now. We lucky ones in CA get to pay alot more than that for cleaner burning fuel. (funny the air still sucks) Ours is so taxed that there is fuel that is refined in Ca, shipped to AZ and it is 60 to 80 cents cheaper to buy in AZ !!! Go figure

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Rated: 0 | Posted 26 days ago

 

Gas prices in our area has dropped a bit. $4.19 a gallon for the cheap stuff.

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moosecfd368 says ...



Im strapping a blue tear drop light to my handlebars, and connecting it to a 12 volt battery in the frame of my 10 speed bike.  (JK)


The government needs to get rid of the environmentalist people who are concerned for the mating habits of the great haikiki bird or the spawning schedules of the alaskan malamute dog fish and start waking the people of this country up to the real concerns like starving and homeless PEOPLE, and companies laying PEOPLE off due to high operational costs and not being able to afford so many employees.  Or the fact that China and Cuba are drilling off-shore oil wells IN SIGHT of our shores and taking all the oill WE need because of the people who cry when a fish doesnt get laid because of the drilling operations.....People.....we need to wake up and smell the coffee, are you more concerned about the animals or the PEOPLE that are dying everyday in our own country while we shell out millions of dollars to homeless people all over the world?  Im all for helping people wherever and whenever we can, but we should be concerned with our own people first, THAN we can help others.  I think its ironic (and insulting) that our government denies assistance to a family of 4 in the USA because they make "$50 over the income limit" but than turn around and feed an entire village in Africa...where is the line drawn? 


Sorry!!  LOL   End of rant, just had to vent there!!!! lol



Well said Moose!


Ross Caston
Captain/EMT-I
Iowa Park, TX
“Daily goals are reached by doing things that may be uncomfortable at first but eventually will become habits. And habits are powerful things. Habits turn actions into attitudes, and attitudes into lifestyles.”

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I was pleased to see that Diesel Fuel has dropped in price a bit. Paid $4.499. Unfortunatelly I passed a station in Georgetown, TX that had it listed on their readerboard for $4.299 but, it was to far to turn around and go back. At the heighest point this year I have paid as much as $5.229 for a gallon of #2 ULSD. That hurts! Gratned I only bought about 5 Gallons then found a station a few miles away selling it for $5.049. Definitely nice to see it going down to bad it won't ever go down to the level we were used to. Now, lets get rid of this ULSD and go back to just LSD. This stuff is killing my MPG.


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This is a growing problem that may be compromising public safety, especially in the rural areas: Volunteer fire and rescue departments nationwide are struggling with declining membership, increased costs and changing attitudes toward a vocation with roots dating to the early 1700s. and all departments are finding the same difficulties.

State and federal lawmakers are taking action to help reverse the trend because volunteers are often the first responders to events ranging from floods to fires, and some say the shortage presents a looming crisis.

"In some communities out there, it's the volunteer fire department or nothing," said U.S. Fire Administrator Gregory Cade. "There's not the economic base to support a career department. So if they can't keep the volunteer fire department viable, then the potential exists that they're not going to have any protection at all."

Volunteer fire and rescue personnel represent 72 percent of the nation's 1.1 million firefighters. That’s 792,000 Volunteers. More than 50 percent of volunteers are associated with departments that cover areas with populations of less than 2,500, according to the U.S. Fire Administration.

Between 1984 and 2006, the number of volunteers nationwide fell by 8 percent, or nearly 74,000, according to information from the National Fire Protection Association. During the same period, the number of emergency calls to paid and volunteer departments doubled.

Fire officials blame the staffing decline on several factors, including increased family demands, employers who are less sympathetic toward community concerns and regulations that require volunteers to take up to 160 hours worth of training before they can start fighting fires and the costs that are associated, including gas.

 


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Prior to my retirement I can remember at least three times when the command staff restricted apparatus movement to emergency response and department details only. This was an effort to conserve fuel during budget short falls.


 


With the volunteer department I am with now we have a small response area, fuel cost has not been an issue YET. However one large wildland incident, structure fire, or an extended mutual aid call a big part of our annual could disappear.


 


Here is a question. Are any of your departments considering cost recovery for MVAs, Medical calls, or fire suppression?


 

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without gas it will be to run calls!and the govment needs to look at that. we save people save and more!!!!!!! I work at dollywood peoge forge TN and the gas price is hruting us because people arenot come here. 

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Well to answer  the  ? yes it did and still is ! We have to schedual all training in advance and if its fesable we will do it ,The City Mayor has alocated our gas and diesel ,not sure by how much !! but I feel this all started in the 80s and just kept coming from 1 president to the next . I refuse to vote because there is not 1 of them is qualified as far as Im concerned . When it comes down to life or death !! Then we need to to just sa y the hell with it and fill the trucks and just go ,these communitys are depending on us !! We used to have a x-mas party 's and bbqs . Now with no County and City pay !! We just do fun thing s any more . gas wont go under $3.50 a gal again, I pay $3.64 here where i live but the next County over is 4 cents less so if Im ther i fill up . When Jimmy Carter was in all of our jobs were just starting to go south ,(Mexico )  because of lower pay and cheap parts made , same in China !!! we r hurting our selfs,by letting this  happen, WE did it by the way we vote . As far as drilling !! LETS DO IT !!!!!! open our tanks !!!! put US AMERICANS BACK TO WORK !!!!!! stop moveing our jobs !!! AND STOP RECEIVING GOODS FROM OVERSEAS !!!!!! And let us make our own .The sad part is we have come to rely on everything , ELECT. ,GAS, ALL THE MAJOR THIS WE HAVE TO DAY AND WE HAD FORGOT HOW TO DO WITHOUT !!!!So maybe this is a wake up call ppl. Maybe the nextel commercial is right !! What if !! the Country was run by FIREFIGHTERS? Yes I know it said world but I worrie about THE U.S.A.  not China or Iran or afganistan. It here Im worried about .Okay enough from me !! NEXT PERSON !! PLEASE.   Be safe All

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chase1 says ...



   The cost of gasoline has gone to $4.99 and to reach over $5.00 in July.



Skeeter, I don't know where you are to pay that much. Sounds more like a typo when mixed with the $5/gal vs $4.99 statement.  Our diesel hasn't hit $4.99 yet, gas is running $3.94. 



yeah, it was around 4.10 for gas for a few weeks in NC but now its just startin to get back down to around 3.70

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I agree that this country needs to become self-sufficient in oil production.  One thing not mentioned here is nuclear power.  The last plant (reactor) built in this country was almost 31 years ago and the last plant to begin commercial operation was in 1996.  Nuclear power is safe,clean and efficient.  Technology has come a long ways to securing and ensuring the safety and effectiveness of nuclear power plants.  Chernobyl happend  over 20 years ago in the soviet union where technology was lagging and safety and efficiency were rarely if ever put into practice.  Would I want a nuclear plant in my neighborhood or town? Hell yeah, at least I know I'm not going to run out of electricity.


To my knowledge there is no shortage of coal or oil shale and technology can certainly reduce or eliminate a goodly portion of the stack emissions and CO2.  The only good thing to come out of this spike in gas prices is the fact that the auto makers are returning to manufactoring more fuel efficient vehicles.  Place a fair share of the blame on 8cyl. gas guzzling suv's.


Food prices, like corn, cereals, wheat and milk have all risen, in part because of the cost of production/processing and delivery, but you can also thank the special interest groups that got congress to subsidize farmers to grow corn for ethanol production.  Crops normally planted were substituted for corn because of the subsidies and quick profit to ethanol production (which ends up costing more per gallon than gasoline, uses more energy to produce and offers fewer miles per gallon than gasoline).  Since fewer acres were planted in other crops, feed for livestock increased so cost of beef and pork increased.  Since milk comes from cows,  feed for the milkers increased and so too did milk costs.


On the one hand you could blame environmentalists for kneecapping practically any attempt to find new energy resources.  But if it wasn't for the environmentalists, much of this country would have been clear-cut or strip-mined without regard to local wildlife, habitats or recreational resources.  On the other hand, tie-dyed, gray-haired, ponytailed, birkenstock wearing tree humpers would rather see us revert back to living in tents and eating soy-based products and see technology as something to fight simply on principal. 


The reality is, it's 2008 and not 1968.  In order to remain, if not the, at least a, world power we need to find new and/or renewable energy resources so that we are not tied to oil producing countries that would cut and run under any number of circumstances.  As far as immigrants: this country is built on and by immigrants.  Both sides of my family came from immigrants.  It has aways been the newest immigrant group that supplied the cheap muscle and labor in this country.  Personally I don't care where they come from, mexico, iraq or anywhere else so long as they're legally here and are contributing citizens.


It isn't the person that chooses to come to this country for a better life that you need to fear, rather the ones already here who see nothing wrong with selling out their influence and power to special interest money, namely most of the politicians who have made a career for themselves doing little other than living off the american wage earner while finding ways to take more money from the american taxpayer for their own pockets and those of powerful interest groups. 

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Rated: 0 | Posted 26 days ago

 

i agree with ya, i think we really do need to look at alternative energy so that we don't have to depend on other nations. Oil is prolly the best thing to have control over when you are a small nation because without it, any large nation would be on its knees and/or ready to start WW3 but the thing i don't really like about nuclear plants is that if you get too many of them then its just another target for terrorist and an extremely dangerous one so in reality i believe the security of our borders should be our main priority. i can't remember what the title or even the exact channel (maybe the history channel) but i do rememeber watching a documentary on how unsafe these plants are and how vulnerable they are. if they were to side with the right people and get the capablity of having nuclear weapons to blow up one of these plants then theres no tellin how big of a disaster we could have on our hands