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Fire Dept, NOT letting someone train.
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Posted 2 months ago What would you guys say if your Chief wouldnt let you take the training you need/want to have? Our Chief now goes over what training you can and cant take. Anyone else have this problem? |
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| Posted 2 months ago is it possible that he thinks that its not needed right now. We let our chief know what we want to take and he usually doesnt have a problem with it....the one time that he did is when a junior wanted to take a arson awareness class, and there is no reason for that. So maybe its jus one of those things that he thinks its something that isnt needed at this point in your career |
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| Posted 2 months ago its not me im talking about. There is a leadership class comeing up, and he wont let a Line Officer take the class. Or sometimes he wont let people take classes "out of house" he rather hire some "bum" to come teach, to save some $$$ but cost us geting some real training. |
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| Posted 2 months ago well as for him not letting the line officer take the leadership class i dunno bout that. for the out of house training, around here we get classes that are offered in county and out of county we usually take them in county because then we can take a different class out of county. plus its usually the same ppl that teach the class and they are all certified to the same degree, some having different teaching methods than others. And whats to say that if you did go out of house training you wouldnt end up with the same "bum" teeaching the class? |
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| Posted 2 months ago actually what if that junior wanted to use that later on in life and the stopped offering the course in your area, is that fair that he didnt get to take a class he really wanted to do or may need someday? |
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| Posted 2 months ago thats when you could send them to an out of station training. im not saying stop people from training but there is some times that a training is not needed by a junior at that age and if a chief has a reason for not letting someone take a class then i would think that there would be a good reason for it. |
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| Posted 2 months ago i under stand it better now sorry but i mean some of the older guys could have learned from him off that though i mean alot of people ive learned from saw something i was doing and learned from it. so it could have actually been a positive thing. |
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| Posted 2 months ago hallberg630 says ...
Training should be allowed any time you want to take it. Anything you can learn at any stage in your career is a plus in this field if you ask me, and anybody should be able to take any training they want to. Every class covers fireground safety, tool operations, driver safety, PPE use...So any class would benefit any member at any time in their careers, but thats just my opinion. Stay Safe and train as if your life depends on it...It does. Brian "Moose" Jones
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| Posted 2 months ago you should be able to take any training you want provided you meet the pre resquites. Example: if TRUCK 2 requires you to have TRUCK 1 and you don't have it then no you should not be able to take it. But that should be the only reason. |
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| Posted 2 months ago moosecfd368 says ...
Just to add to what I said, when I started out in my training I took "Fire Behavior& Arson Awareness" and "Auto Extrication" for my first two courses. I learned a lot from the Arson class about fire behavior, and what not to do at fires as far as desturbing the scene if you dont have to. In fact, I took several classes before actually being able to take my "Essentials" class which was supposed to be first. But I learned from each and every class I took. Just to clarify what I was saying. Brian "Moose" Jones
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| Posted 2 months ago The department I was in you had to take the trainging on your own. They wouldnt get the classes in cause the higher ranks was afraid you would take over there job one day. So we done the stuff out of station. They revamped our bylaws to benifit there self there a chartered service now but look for the borugh to eventually take over. Dont feel bad about the training I know where you all are coming from. You want the training let them do it. Cause If I could get it else where I would. |
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| Posted 2 months ago If your a Junior I could understand why he may be limiting your training. If your a full firefighter then it is most likely related to cost. Next time provide a little bit of research and actually pitch the idea to the Chief. Show how you could use a specific grant to cover the costs of the training. Your Chief probably won't object to it if you do that. Look online for others that have taken the class and see how they paid for it. See if you could bring a class in to your station so others could benefit and invite neighboring stations too. If you need help PM me and I will do what I can to provide you with the proper information. Eric M. Gildersleeve
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| Posted 2 months ago moosecfd368 says ...
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| Posted 2 months ago hallberg630 says ...
Well, I just checked his profile and its says hes a "Firefighter/Company officer" in Thaxton VA......and thats all...Another mystery poster afraid to list his real experiences and information? Some profiles lack way too much info in order to make a real judgement. Speaking from personal experiences, I was a Junior at the age of 14, and I was taking classes side by side with the firefighters all the time. I see no reason why a Junior, or an Explorer can take classes except for the obvious reasons that their insurance will not allow them to use certain tools or do certain tasks on scene. But as far as gaining valuable knowledge about firefighting...Why not?????? Hopefully this member will answer here again and explain a little more about this situation and what exactly his experience is. Brian "Moose" Jones
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| Posted 2 months ago 1st of all , the dept. should never stop anyone from being trained !! Even if they dont plan on being an officer or is one , We all need good training , on anything . If any of the Jrs. ,explorers and Cadets , want the training then they should !! But Class work 1st , and watch hands on only ,since most Insurance Comp. wont let them work side by side with us older guys .I would like more training but in as a fire Marshall , but my Chief thinks I want his job. So I feel let all be trained . |
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| Posted 2 months ago im not saying at all that training shouldnt be provided to someone if they want it. I just feel that even if the person is not a junior say they are a 25 yr old who joined and went thru their 6 month probationary period.... to me they should have some kind of basic classes before they start taking pump classes and engine company classes and some of the more advanced type classes. I have learned that once people take there basics and then start getting into different things they may find out that they cant handle doing something. i guess the easiest way for me to say it is you gotta have 4th grade before you have fifth |
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| Posted 2 months ago
In my dept. you are required to take Firefighter I. Our county training center offers it at lest once a year. It is always followed by FFII. It’s just another 40 hours. It seems right to do it after they just finished 160 hours. Our state requires an age of 18.
In our state Juniors/Explorers are not allowed “Hands On” training with live fire or on vehicles. Their training is very limited.
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| Posted 2 months ago I would say take the course and pay for it yourself. The knowledge that you gain will improve you and your department. Maybe the CHIEF will see this and start encouraging others and paying for the classes. This will only build a better department. And in the long run the CHIEF will have a more experienced department and makes them look better. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Im alittle on the fence on this one. I can see your point of wanting to attend the training and Im all about training, but i also see what the chief is saying. If it is an out of town class that means that the dept is going to have to utilize funds for that. Is there more than one person wanting to take the class? If so ask the chief if you can get intouch with your local community college to provide the class at your station or somewhere close. Im speakin on this as a firefighter from a higher budget dept, an assistant chief at a lower budget rescue squad, and an instructor. At our rescue squad we cant afford to send people out of county to attend classes, instead myself and FFRS_Diver arrange to have the class ran in county either at the dept or at the college itself. Then again at my career dept we travel all over the state to attend 3 day seminars and 5day or longer tech classes. As an instructor if im requested to teach a class I make all attempts to provide it, if Im unable to teach it myself, I help the requestee arrange for an instructor to be there. My suggestion to you is talk to the chief and ask for permission to arrange to have the class taught inhouse or somewhere nearby. Maby speak with people from surrounding depts to assist with the arrangements.
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| Posted about 1 month ago Sometimes the chief is afraid that you might get to much experience and surpass him, so if he can hold you back he will, that is 1 reason that I pay for alot of my own training. Its amazing that he has budget for his classes but if i ask for reimbursment for 1 of mine it is always oh sorry, we have no funds in the budget for that. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago jbeck308 says ...
Very good statement. It is an all to often occurence. This is a perfect example of a bad leader. He sounds like he likes being chief for the popularity of it. Im guessing that he leads by fear instead of by example, always barking orders and trying to embarace his personell who question him. In the NFA leadership classes it is taught to push your personell to be trained as high or higher than yourself. This way if something happens to you then someone else can slide right into the position instead of hitting a wall. Any chief or officer that leads how jbeck is saying needs to reevaluate his role in the dept. (0r have the board of directors do it for them) |